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Deb Gardner wrote:
Probably more women do go around with it. But generally I think more men have it than are actually diagnosed. They are generally more tunnel visioned about matters, they go train spotting, plane spotting. Yes I think a lot of men are autistic.
February 6, 2010 5:34 PM GMT on community.timesonline.co.uk Recommend? (3) Report Abuse Permalink
Selina Postgate wrote:
Lucy Brown, as your daughter is reaching or has reached adulthood, the choice of whether to pursue diagnosis must of course now be hers.
I would like to point out though (from bitter experience, having spent countless hours in therapy and counselling trying to "cure" myself of what turned out to be autistic traits) that the neurological differences that make some of us autistic (and I include Asperger's) are hardwired.
Psychotherapy is useless, even counter-productive, unless the therapist both accepts that the client has an ASD and understands the consequences of this for the client's psychological make-up. Unfortunately there are not many therapists yet who do have the necessary knowledge and experience, particularly when it comes to working with autistic women.
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Lucy Brown wrote:
I have a daughter, who had various diagnosis: some traits of Asperger's, no traits of Asperge's, anxiety; NHS psychotherapy, private psychotherapy... but nothing helped. I have an impression that nobody knew how to deal with her problems: low self esteem, shyness, social interaction, obsession about people. She is very intelligent, with very high IQ, hard working, at one of the best universities. She does not cause problems for others, but generally unhappy. As an young adult now refused any help from NHS, because "she is coping well". Is it worth pushing for diagnosis of Asperger's syndrom,for a highly functioning girl? It can only reduce her prospect of employment and does not guarantee any real help from social services. A caring family is the best support.
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Frank Taylor wrote:
Our daughter who is three has been diagnosed with aspergers we didn't find any problems where support from our doctors was concerned and we were given a referral date to have our daughter tested very quickly.
As she is so young she is going to be retested every year, this is to assess her progress as she is still only a baby really.
We don't ignore men when they suffer from breast cancer, so why are people ignoring girls who have autism?
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Adele Williams wrote:
John Bald wrote:
>>I am currently working with two children, a boy and a girl, who have both been "diagnosed" as having Asberger's, and who are both perfectly capable of normal behaviour, work and concentration when treated with normal consideration and politeness. Asberger's is too easy a diagnosis for a lazy psychologist who is not prepared to get to the underlying causes of children's behaviur. In one case, the problem was sensitivity to light that led to the person being unable to learn to read, and the behaviour was caused by frustration at this. Perfectly understandable, and now fixed.
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First, it's Asperger not Asberger.
Second, the diagnosis should lead to exactly what you suggest: an understanding of the issues underlying difficulties that people may experience with schoolwork, employment, relationships etc. Sensory issues like the one you describe are common in AS--even though they are not part of the current diagnostic criteria--as all experienced clinicians know. Adjusting the environment and changing our own communication, teaching, and work styles is the key to success, because there is no "treatment" for AS.
It's good to see some solid research, following on from Gillerg's study on AS and eating disorders. Most of the adult women ith AS I have met have been through horrific experiences due to misdiagnosis with schizoaffective disorder, personality disorder, or schizophrenia. The drugs currently given to people with these conditions cause health problems for those who should not be taking them, including inability to think, massive weight gain, movement disorders, etc., while not helping the condition at all. Appropriate education and social care, on the other hand, helps people make good lives for themselves!
February 6, 2010 12:42 PM GMT on community.timesonline.co.uk Recommend? (8) Report Abuse Permalink
Andy Davis wrote:
My local health and education authorities are quite good. Indeed my daughter has had a Statement of Special Educational Needs since she was 4 because of her language development etc (it's quite unusual to have one so early).
But it's only now, when she is nearly 12 that she is going through the testing regime for an ASD. We, her parents have recognised it for years but overcoming the inertia of "Girls don't suffer from ASD" has been an uphill struggle from start to finish - and as I say this is with reasonably good authorities.
What it must be like for children and adults in less than good authorities must be a living nightmare. So on behalf of them I am very glad that the whole issue is being revisited.
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Alyson Bradley wrote:
The process of self discovery is exhausting and does not help when those around us start to question us, I needed a diagnosis because I knew their is no way my husband and others would of accepted that I was without that, because until we are sure... it can seem like being lost in a void with no where to turn and easier to try and go back before its official which is scary at first, but for me now their is no compromising as now I know for sure, I can not go back and allow my life to only exist in parts, exist for others, no more pretense.
Their are many badly informed professionals out their and they make us question self, which can be a huge stress, here in NZ many doctors do not always diagnosed adults and feel the same in world wide in parts.... its like they want to see where we have issues and change that, so wrong as when we are so desperately trying to look for answers, it does not help having doors slammed in our faces, and making us question what we know.
Their is no specrum none spectrum really we are all unique individuals, but for some of us that bit more different, but the more we get to know self the easier it is not only for us, but those we care about... I do feel grils re accepted if they're quiet and non-active, are we better at disguising our differences.? Asperges Parallel Planet
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John Bald wrote:
The problem is not under-diagnosis, but accurate diagnosis. I am currently working with two children, a boy and a girl, who have both been "diagnosed" as having Asberger's, and who are both perfectly capable of normal behaviour, work and concentration when treated with normal consideration and politeness. Asberger's is too easy a diagnosis for a lazy psychologist who is not prepared to get to the underlying causes of children's behaviur. In one case, the problem was sensitivity to light that led to the person being unable to learn to read, and the behaviour was caused by frustration at this. Perfectly understandable, and now fixed.
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ROBERT BOYD wrote:
Your right all women have it!
February 6, 2010 12:54 AM GMT on community.timesonline.co.uk Recommend? (2) Report Abuse Permalink
Selina Postgate wrote:
It took me five years and a complaint to the Healthcare Commission just to get an NHS referral for an assessment for Asperger Syndrome. When I was finally seen privately, after a further two-year wait in vain for an NHS-funded assessment, the well-known and highly-respected clinical psychologist who assessed me told me my Asperger's diagnosis was "quite unequivocal".
This is not a trivial matter - I suffered a nervous breakdown and developed serious physical health problems whilst waiting, as until I was positively diagnosed with AS I was unable to obtain any of the social care support I needed to cope with daily living.
I know of numerous other women who have likewise been refused referral to experts for assessment for ASD, either by GPs or local mental health teams. Over the years these women's resulting mental health issues - often including hospitalisation - cost the NHS far more than timely diagnosis and appropriate social support would cost.
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