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作者: 浮萍fans    时间: 07-11-26 22:02
标题: 一个痛苦的自我
呵呵,我又来了!做为一民新力军没有什么资格发表有建设性的言论.

最近状态不是很好,不是抑郁,也不是躁狂.就是记忆力非常差,反应能力也很差.感觉自己不会思考一样.版主GG给解决一下啊.

看了这么多前辈(^_^)的帖子吧,有些疑问.这病的研究才几十年,怎么能判断是遗传因素影响的呢?还有就是怎么判断会遗传给后代呢?(顶多用药的时候不能生孩子)不觉的奇怪吗?
作者: malnu    时间: 07-11-27 09:06
Dear 浮萍fans, you are already very constructive

You status quo still seems to me like a bit depressed, but not serious. I can say responsibly that you are not "unable to think" as you described. On the contrary, you are very able to think, in a very good way.

The question you pose is very interesting, and I'd rather join you in the doubt. Plus, it is really pointless to simply say : Well, this is an inherit disease and I can do nothing about it!

Genetically speaking, any disease is born with, and by similar logic, we don't need any hospital or therapy at all.

The fact it, we can always find ways to improve. If not externally, we can do it internally. What I mean is, for example, if I'm worried by the fact that my memory is working properly, then forget it. Try to do something that doesn't rely so much on memory. And try to stop worrying.

In this way, we can always find ways out of our trouble, at least to some extent.

I don't try my best to find out any "truth" right now, because I don't think I'm able to find any. But the real "truth" about my life is, if I don't spend too much time on the persuit of truth, or final solutions, I can live a much relaxed and enjoyable life.
作者: 晔阳    时间: 07-11-27 13:33
有意思，刚看了你的另一贴，说得好。“郁了就郁，躁了就躁”没关系。其实记忆不好同样也没关系。肚子饿了自然会去找饭，尿憋了自然会找厕所。至于躁狂是不是遗传则另当别论了。一种疾病是不是遗传与对这种病的研究时间长短没有关系。举个例子，有一种病叫做突发睡眠(narcolepsy)。对这种病的真正认识也就近二十年，可谁让人类的基因编码给给公布了呢，结果一查，这种病是OX2R 基因不表达的问题。

现在研究方法比以前科学的多了，效率也高得多了。大人群基因样本一采集，基因譜一绘，根标准的一核对，遗传性疾病往那里藏啊。
当然，我也是记忆不好，只记住这一步。其他的中间环节也是一点也不记得了。

不管怎样，很欣赏你的这种对疾病的处理原则。


原帖由 浮萍fans 于 07-11-26 22:02 发表
呵呵,我又来了!做为一民新力军没有什么资格发表有建设性的言论.

最近状态不是很好,不是抑郁,也不是躁狂.就是记忆力非常差,反应能力也很差.感觉自己不会思考一样.版主GG给解决一下啊.

看了这么多前辈(^_^) ...
作者: malnu    时间: 07-11-27 14:27
Dear Yeyang, I'm not in the position to refute in my capacity as a layman to science. Nor do I have the intention to.

But the other day I met in a meeting a scientist from Beijing Institute of Genomics, who claims that human genes are subject to various changes during one's life time. e.g. Migrants can easily adjust to new environment with some genomic changes, some even drastic.

It is therefore my bold guess that genes may also change according to different way of thinking. Could you shed some light on that?
作者: 浮萍fans    时间: 07-11-27 23:42
真受不了纳兰版主老是用英文来回答问题,明知道我的英文差吗,害的我翻了半天的金山词霸+金山快译!只是感觉我们说的都太专业或者是有些严肃吧.想在这里能带一些欢乐或者诙谐一点的东西吧!偶尔偷的半日乐,足亦
作者: 晔阳    时间: 07-11-28 02:06
没错儿，生存环境和条件也影响基因和遗传，这不用大科学家。普通人早就说过。一母九子，九子个别。环境不影响基因，人只能永远是猴子。



原帖由 malnu 于 07-11-27 14:27 发表
Dear Yeyang, I'm not in the position to refute in my capacity as a layman to science. Nor do I have the intention to.

But the other day I met in a meeting a scientist from Beijing Institute of ...
作者: MAYGAOMEI    时间: 07-11-28 18:44
标题: 回复 #6 晔阳 的帖子
哈哈，大家还在争论，我只好偷笑了，因为我什么也不懂。我也不知道我为什么会患此病，因为我家好像也没有遗传基因，看来我是变异了，难道？我的任务不是研究发病的原因，我只想怎么快乐怎么来，想这么深奥的问题干啥，让自己快乐起来吧，其他的，随风去吧!
作者: 浮萍fans    时间: 07-11-28 22:32
oh...~yeah!This is my answer.

Happy every day
作者: 浮萍fans    时间: 07-11-28 22:39
原帖由 晔阳 于 07-11-28 02:06 发表
没错儿，生存环境和条件也影响基因和遗传，这不用大科学家。普通人早就说过。一母九子，九子个别。环境不影响基因，人只能永远是猴子。


又解开了心中的疑惑,我正准备变成猴子呢,结果没得逞.环境影响了我
作者: malnu    时间: 07-11-29 00:34
yuyu's translation again, please thank her on my behalf in Chinese, because I don't think a foreign language can express my thankfulness enough
Dear 浮萍fans, you are already very constructive

You status quo still seems to me like a bit depressed, but not serious. I can say responsibly that you are not "unable to think" as you described. On the contrary, you are very able to think, in a very good way.

The question you pose is very interesting, and I'd rather join you in the doubt. Plus, it is really pointless to simply say : Well, this is an inherit disease and I can do nothing about it!

Genetically speaking, any disease is born with, and by similar logic, we don't need any hospital or therapy at all.

The fact it, we can always find ways to improve. If not externally, we can do it internally. What I mean is, for example, if I'm worried by the fact that my memory is working properly, then forget it. Try to do something that doesn't rely so much on memory. And try to stop worrying.

In this way, we can always find ways out of our trouble, at least to some extent.

I don't try my best to find out any "truth" right now, because I don't think I'm able to find any. But the real "truth" about my life is, if I don't spend too much time on the persuit of truth, or final solutions, I can live a much relaxed and enjoyable life.

浮萍fans，你已经很有建设性了呀！
你的状况给我的感觉还是有点儿沮丧，不过并不严重。
我可以很负责地说，你不是不能够思考，相反而言，你能够思考，而且还是在用一个很好的方式去思考呢。
你提出的问题很有意思，我也有同样的疑惑。并且，简单地就说这种病是遗传而来自己无能为力的话，这真是毫无意义的。
要是按着这样的逻辑，什么病都是天生的，那我们岂不是根本就不需要医院，不需要治疗。
实际上，我们总会找得到方法去改善，外在的情况改变不了，我们可以改变我们内在的想法。举个例子，担心记忆力影响工作，先放轻松，忘掉它，试试去干点不是太依赖记忆力的工作，然后慢慢让自己不再担心。
用这种方法，在某一程度上，我们就能够找到解决困难的方法。
现在我不会努力去找什么真理，因为我觉得我不会找出些什么。但我生活的真理是，假如我不花太多时间去寻找真理或者说最后的解决方案的话，我可以活得比较放松和舒适。
作者: 浮萍fans    时间: 07-12-1 23:28
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